Sam Vanderpump: From Reality TV to a Near-Death Battle with Sepsis

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Today's guest is Sam Vanderpump,
Auk reality TV star best known

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for Made in Chelsea.
But there's far more to him than

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what you've seen on the screen.
He has survived A terrifying

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battle with sepsis.
He's founded several businesses,

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and he has a sharp, often
underestimated business brain,

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both in his personal and
professional life.

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He goes for what he wants and he
does not hold back.

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First of all, thank you so much
for coming on Beyond the

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Boardroom and We're very excited
to have you here. 1st and most

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important question, who is Sam
Vanderpump?

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Good question.
Deep.

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It's a deep one.
Go deep.

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Am I go?
Who are you really?

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You know what, it's actually an
interesting question because

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it's actually something I've
only just realised recently in

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the sense of when you do a
reality TV show, it is such a

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small snippet of your life and
it is such a surface level

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conversation and people really
don't know who you are.

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I would say people who really
know me would know that I'm a

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serial entrepreneur.
I've worked in the same line of

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industry for the last 10 years
of my life and that's all I've

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ever done.
The whole reality side and the

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public side of my life has only
come around over the last year.

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And you know what's really
interesting is following on from

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that, you see a lot of comments
online in regards to who they

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think you are.
Yeah, so inaccurate.

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Who?
Do they think you are?

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I do like to have a joke and I
am not serious at times and that

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that that side comes across in
my social life.

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But you know, I take everything
with a pinch of socks.

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I'm very, very light hearted.
It's very hard to offend me.

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But that's a.
Good thing it's a good.

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Thing but people sort of, you
know, twist it and take it the

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wrong way and, you know, turn it
all against you.

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But it's interesting to, they
see that side of me and they

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think that that's it.
And they, they, you know what,

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there's some really good
comments.

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I mean, sometimes I see stuff
like that was sent to me and

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it's obviously there's this
stigma when you go on Made in

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Chelsea, you know, it's to do
with wealth and people from

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coming from affluent families.
Yeah, definitely.

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So something that keeps on
coming up on the line and it's,

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and it's really funny how to see
there is 2 completely different

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perceptions, all from the very,
very small snippets of people

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what they've seen in my life.
And one perception is, you know,

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someone called me common the
other day, which was like, OK,

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you're.
So not common.

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I mean I can understand.
Maybe I do I I like to believe

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I'm well spoken.
I did elocution lessons as young

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when I was younger.
So well spoken.

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But there is certain things that
I slip up on, you know, I, I did

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live in Essex for a little bit.
So my, my, my pronunciation of

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some words can slack.
But then there's the other side

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where it's like, oh, they, they
just because my last name

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Vanderpump, my auntie.
And then, like, someone comments

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online, oh, you know, he's worth
his aunt's worth 57 million.

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Well, like, what's that got to
do with me?

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And then there, there's a new
article that's floating around

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which says I bought my fiance A7
figure engagement ring.

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And I was literally, it reminded
me of the Lewis Capaldi snippet

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on Snapchat where he goes, if
the tax man sees this, I'm

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fucked.
Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry for my.

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Friends.
No, that's OK.

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I'm thinking when I'm reading
that article of the tax Max man

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sees that I'm fucked.
Because.

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You know there is no 77 figure
ring.

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Did it?
Did it upset you?

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Annoy you?
How did you feel when when

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someone said your comment?
And I absolutely don't agree

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with that, by the way.
I think it's a ridiculous thing

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to say.
I just think it's all rather

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comical because it's so clear
how little people know.

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So when you see things like, you
know, firstly there's a headline

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which says 7 figure ring, and
then there's these people who

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are passing judgement like, oh,
first some people go, Oh yeah,

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he can't afford that.
It's like, OK, well, to be fair,

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I can't afford a bigger ring.
I mean, I'm very proud of the

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ring I brought my fiance.
But it's very interesting to see

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people who pass a comment like
that and then someone else

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chimes over a comment.
Well, his aunt's worth 57

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million, which again, is
probably an inaccurate figure, I

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guess.
She's very, very wealthy, my

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aunt.
But again, what Auntie just

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gives you £1,000,000 to buy
Auntie Ring?

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It's, it's just all a bit
ridiculous.

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So I just find it all very
comical from everything from

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this, from the idea that at one
end of the spectrum I'm a I'm

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common and then to the other end
of the spectrum, which is I'm my

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auntie is a multi multi
millionaire.

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You've got it all.
And there we go.

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I must be just given 7 figures
to go buy my fiance a ring,

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which is.
People will make those

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assumptions and it's good to
have you on the podcast to

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clarify.
Something we're going to.

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Clarify not the question Who is
Sam Vanderpump?

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I think I've just kind of gone.
It's funny to see all the

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different misconceptions of Sam
Vanderpump and I.

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I am.
I am I am a serial entrepreneur.

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I am very invested in my
business.

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I'm very light hearted.
I I'm not easily offended.

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Anyone can say whatever they
like online and I probably

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think.
You've got pretty good values

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too.
Yeah, I'm trying to believe so I

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like, I quite like.
I'm very.

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Loyal.
If I've got a friendship or I've

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got a relationship, I'm I'm the
most loyal person ever.

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I really do believe that and I
hold myself to my values because

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what are we if we're not living
by our own morals and our own

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values?
So I like to believe I'm loyal,

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I'm a good friend.
I I'd like to believe I'm tell

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the truth, and so much so to my
own detriment, so some people

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say.
You get yourself into trouble,

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I.
I just get so excited and

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honestly, I just get really
excited in this situation.

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Then I forget what can't be
said.

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So if someone tells you a
secret, and yeah, I don't

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necessarily mean it out of any
malice or anything like that.

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It's more to do with just the
fact I'm.

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I'm very excitable and if I'm
excited, everything pours out.

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And I did.
You get a lot of stick because

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some of the viewers watching
won't wouldn't have watched

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their Made in Chelsea episode
reality TV show for anyone.

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But there was an instance where
you did, you know, tell people a

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secret, one of your friends, and
you meant it in good faith.

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But did you get into a lot of
trouble for that?

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Multiple occasions, but people
who know me would know that if I

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was you.
Didn't mean harm.

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There was no harm by it.
If anything, it was just to help

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a situation.
Yeah.

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So yes, it has got me into
trouble in the real world, in my

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real life, for sure.
Me having no filter has got me

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into trouble.
There was a another podcast

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where my aunt had told me a
secret and I kind of let that my

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loose lips let that spilled and
it wasn't a sense of I'm going

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to try and tell a secret.
It was.

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I was easily excitable.
However, I'm very, very good at

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keeping secrets now.
Yes, but but it's really

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important whether you said it in
good faith or not, I mean, and

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people can tell if you don't
mean harm and you're just

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innocent, you wear your heart on
your sleeve and you're just

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speaking normally and you trust.
Speaking my truth.

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Exactly.
And you trust that people will

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take it in the same me well
meaning way, but they don't

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always.
Yeah, I mean.

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That's the danger.
I think that's you just don't

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know what the third party will
do with it.

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Yeah, I mean, that's that's the
problem.

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I mean, I, I love doing a made
in Chelsea.

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I really do.
I I, I love being on camera.

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I love the idea of presenting.
I love doing social media.

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I find it fun.
Yeah, but with that comes a lot

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of misconceptions and reality TV
does come with that.

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It's not like when you're being
an actor or you're entering a

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new role on on camera.
You're trying to portray

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yourself, but at the same time
you've got to make the TV

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entertaining for your audience.
It's.

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Also part of your job.
So people have to bear that in

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mind that it is all of these
situations are blown up, are

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made more dramatic.
Oh, they most certainly are.

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You're you're being put in in
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OK, so for people watching that
don't know, tell us who your

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aunt is.
So my aunt, it's like a second

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dad to me.
I lost my dad, went about 10

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years ago.
Sorry to hear.

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That that's so sad.
But everything happens for a

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reason, and I'm extremely close
to my aunt.

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And yeah, she's Lisa Vanderpump.
Some call her the queen of

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reality TV.
She's been on The Real

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Housewives of Beverly Hills.
She's got her own TV shows,

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Vanderpump Villa and Vanderpump
Rules.

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And she is.
Loves dogs.

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She loves dogs and she is a
fantastic businesswoman and a

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philanthropist, so she she
really is quite an amazing woman

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and if I end up being just 1/4
of the person that she is, then

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I've done well.
So she's good inspiration.

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Did she what?
What advice did she give you

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about reality TV?
What's the main thing that was

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she was she worried about you
stepping into?

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Of course she was worried.
Yeah, because she knows how

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detrimental.
She knows how it can go against

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you.
It can be toxic, it can be

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detrimental.
So she was like, she's kind of

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turned around to me as like,
you're a well established

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businessman, you've got your
business, how are you doing it?

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And she kind of gave me that.
And I said, well, because I want

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to do it.
I want to enjoy it.

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So it's something I always want
to do.

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I don't enjoy my businesses.
She went OK fine go do it and

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then lately she's been giving me
advice on how to make it to my

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benefit.
She went why are you still doing

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it?
And I I explained to her why I

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do it and why.
So how long have you been doing

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it for?
Sorry, just two, two years.

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OK, that's a decent that that's
the time this.

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Is coming to the end of the
second year OK Yeah.

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So this will be like the end of
my 4th.

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This is I'm going into my 4th
season of Maiden Chelsea.

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Right, so she says to you, why
are you still doing it and what

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do you say?
And I said, because I still

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enjoy it.
And she turned around to me and

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she went, right, that's, that's
absolutely fine.

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But that will fade.
How are you going to use this to

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your advantage?
And, you know, we sat there over

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when I was last in LA just a few
months ago.

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And we sat there and, and she
really opened up my mind into

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understanding the benefits and
how to take action.

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And I, I, I came back with such
a plan in my head.

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It was, it was really
interesting, the advice.

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It's one of those things that's
quite hard to hear because it's,

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it's quite intense advice in the
sense of critical, but it's,

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it's constructive criticism in
the sense of right, you, that's

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fine.
You're doing this, but you're,

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you're kind of doing this wrong.
And if you want to keep doing

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it, make sure you're using it to
your advantage.

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So at first it's quite hard to
hear, but then you take it in

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your, you know, in your esteem,
whatever.

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Proper advice.
It's proper advice.

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And it and it worked.
I mean, I can't believe how much

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it's worked.
And I won't go into the depths

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of how it's worked because
there's a lot that I've got to

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yeah.
And I'm working on at the moment

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that I'm revealing.
She's giving you assignment.

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It's like that's why it's hard
because she's not giving you the

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easy life.
Oh, just kick back.

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Yeah, you love it.
Oh, well done.

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You're enjoying yourself.
I mean, she's not.

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She's trying to get the best
side of you and going well.

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OK, literally.
Here's some work for you to.

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Always says it to me.
She's just go.

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She goes because she's very
critical, but constructive.

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In a good way, she's.
In a great way, in a fantastic

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way.
She's an amazing person and you

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if you watch ATV shows, you'll
see on ATV shows how she does

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the same very stuff and that is
her.

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She is that amazing and she's
there to help people and and

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especially me and it is
fantastic to have that.

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And it is hard to hear, but I am
very lucky.

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OK, so how did you get on Made
in Chelsea?

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Did they see you in the street
and go?

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No.
So when I was 1819, I was

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working in the City and I was
looking for a place to live and

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I ended up moving into Chelsea,
Fulham area.

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And around that there is this
kind of social clicking, say

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social group, social friendship.
Everyone knows each other in

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their in their 20s, early 30s,
everyone aspiring to do better

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and work.
And yeah, and all of a sudden

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you get mixed into this very,
very social group.

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Yes, everyone knows everyone.
And yeah, after I was asked to

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be on Made in Chelsea when I was
21, when I was 25 or 26.

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And then there was only the
third time that I finally

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actually said yes.
And I'm very happy I've done it.

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Yeah, there is.
There are some elements of me.

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It just goes now I'm doing it.
I wish I'd done it earlier, but

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I'm a big believer in everything
happens for a reason and, you

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know, fate.
And so I believe the time

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wasn't, it wasn't right then and
it is right now and it and it's

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worked out well and I'm really
enjoying it.

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OK.
What do you like about it?

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It's the main thing, Paul.
Is it the the production side

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that it's the production?
Side I went to theatre school

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when I was for about two or
three years the same as my

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auntie went to the same theatre
school, funny enough.

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And I always I wanted to be a
racing driver when I was very

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young, I did go karting, raced
cars etcetera.

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And then after that ended
because my parents could no

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longer financially afford for me
to keep going in that direction

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because I was becoming stupid
and stupid money.

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I mean, there are Formula One
drivers out there now that I

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used to race against that were
spending stupid money to get to.

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Oh yeah.
But that's a whole different

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topic.
So after that, I was, what do I

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want to do?
So I wanted to go to theatre, I

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wanted to become an actor.
And for certain reasons that

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didn't work out.
But I always had that dream.

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And then all of a sudden the
opportunity entered to be on

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camera and to be in that kind of
situation.

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And I thought this is an amazing
opportunity to firstly do it and

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for the doors it could lead to.
So I enjoy being on camera.

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I enjoy that kind of.
Reality I like.

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It's a buzz.
Yeah, it's a buzz for me.

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What do you dislike about it
really?

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The misconceptions and I think
anyone who does reality.

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So what the public land up
thinking really because of the

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way something's shown or because
the way that they what?

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What is it that's annoying?
I can't say too much because

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I've got yeah.
OK, OK, yeah, don't say too

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much, just say enough.
So I it's, it's more to the

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misconceptions of what public,
the public can get right.

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So people have to remember is
when you really analyse the

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show, it's normally a 3 minute
scene, maybe less.

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Firstly, we've been sitting
there for two hours.

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Of course there's a lot more
that's said, but they have to

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cut it and make it snappy and
make it juicy and juicy for the.

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TV show.
People seem to forget that when

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they're watching the show.
And then it makes you look.

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Imagine we sit here for two
hours.

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Yeah.
And I say I'm talking for two

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hours about, let's say, my
auntie.

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Yeah.
But then I say, oh, but she's

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harsh on me or she's critical of
me.

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Imagine how that snippet can be
taken out of context.

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Now I've I think my aunt is most
fantastic woman ever, but that

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one line could be.
Oh, it could be, especially if

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you put the right music with it.
Exactly.

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Put to the PR, right?
I'm giving you ideas now.

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Yeah, no, we're not interested.
In a sudden, yeah, yeah, there's

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a line.
There.

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No, I get it.
I'm sorry with you.

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That's one thing that I I not
struggle with because I find it

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funny and it's hard.
And I know my friends and my

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family, they know the real Sam.
So that's that's all that

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matters.
But but it's like you feel

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slightly false accused.
You feel like, well hang on,

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that's not what I meant.
That's not what being very

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fortunate right in the last so
many seasons.

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I believe it showed a very good
conception of me.

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I'm I'm light hearted.
I I'm quite jovial.

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I'm I don't take anything too
seriously.

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I've got my morals.
The one side where I don't like

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is it hasn't showed the
entrepreneurial side of myself

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the the businessman that I am.
Because that's the different the

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brand that much.
Exactly.

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So it's not showed that that
side of me.

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But then on the last season I
would say I didn't like the

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misconceptions which started to
come.

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About yeah, but I mean, imagine
for people like like us

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apprentice ex apprentice guy
where they make you look

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deliberately like oh come on,
you're so thick.

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Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean
imagine you've got this.

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You had I, I actually know
someone who went on The

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Apprentice as well and she told
me it was, it's brutal.

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It was crazy.
I mean, they used to run in at

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4:00 AM, tell you to get ready
in 10 minutes.

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Oh yeah, it's deliberately
stressed and strange.

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Stress you out, but.
We don't get to go home.

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You see, this is the thing I
feel like for you guys, I mean,

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I was going to ask you about the
schedule of mentors.

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You can actually get to go home
and then have this, eat your

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food, go to the gym, work out
and then you go in for me.

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But imagine you didn't and it
was all like essentialised and

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you get trapped and you can't
and there's all that going on.

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It's different.
Now that is a good point.

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Now people walk away from scenes
they get to recompose.

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Yes.
But there's also a disadvantage,

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OK, because people know what's
happened in that scene.

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They go away, they think about
it and they think about what

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they're going to say for the
next.

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Scene.
Yeah, it's like, it's like a

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cold drop.
You throw spiders in there and

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you prepare for the battle.
And.

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Manipulate people.
Nail on the head where in The

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Apprentice it's way more people
make more drama to get more

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airtime I it can be a really
toxic environment.

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You understand why?
Why I mean, Anyway, won't go

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into that, but the.
Not go into it.

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Well, you can understand why.
OK, let's let's talk about Love

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Island so I don't get in
trouble.

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You can understand why Love
Island have in house therapists

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and why a lot of reality shows.
And actually this isn't limited

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to reality shows.
The moment you do something on

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ATV show or a radio show
nowadays with these corporate

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companies, they've got a
responsibility to make sure you

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talking about that doesn't
affect you.

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So straight after doing this is
new shows.

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By the way, this is new stuff I
would.

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Yeah, well, exactly.
This is changed very recently

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and it's actually changed since
a lot of people have been taking

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their own lives in the reality
TV sector because they couldn't

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deal with the onslaught and
especially the reality show

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because it doesn't happen so
much for actors, presenters,

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because they're portraying.
Someone else?

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Exactly.
But when reality stars portray

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themselves and then all of a
sudden you've got people

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commenting on that and people
read those comments and then

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they end up taking them.
Online.

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So there's a there's a
responsibility by these big

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organisations now to give you
these in house therapists to

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make sure that.
You need to also develop thick

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skin if you're going to carry on
in the business like you've been

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now two years.
You need to grow your thickest

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skin and learn to deal with all
the stuff that comes with it

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because it's part of the
package.

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So you've got to toughen up as
time goes by.

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I'm sure you aren't you morph
into someone, hopefully if

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you're going to stick with it
into someone that's a little bit

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more resilient to to what this
kind of thing can throw at you

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because it's not always nice.
It can be, but it's not always.

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Even myself and I believe I've
got very thick skin.

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I am emotional, but I don't
think I would ever get emotional

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at someone who I've never met
before comments and I don't

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think I would and I haven't.
And people go to me on online.

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Oh, you care so much because
you're replying?

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No, I'm replying because their
comments make me laugh and I

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just enjoy it, right?
So people give me negative

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comments and I just reply,
right?

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I can see it all.
I reply to the comments on my

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social media and when people go,
Oh my God, you care so much

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you're replying.
I went what?

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I care because I'm replying to a
comment on my social media.

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On your own page.
You're the one with who's

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putting all this energy to go
into someone's Instagram page.

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They.
Find you.

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Don't know.
You've never met before.

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You've seen a snippet for two
minutes on some TV show.

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Yeah.
You're putting all your energy

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of that evening to comment on my
social media, and yet you're

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turning around to me and going,
oh, you care so much.

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Well, it's my my.
They they, they feeding your,

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they're feeding your Instagram.
That kind of person really

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doesn't bother.
Do do you watch Dubai Bling?

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Have you ever watched it?
No, I've heard a lot about the.

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You have to watch it and there's
a guy called Ibrahim Al Samadi.

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He's like a massive character on
he's extremely funny and

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whatever.
But yeah, he absolutely loves

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the trolls.
He he adores the comments.

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I think he he says he needs
them.

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We all need.
We all need.

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Yeah, I think.
It's essential.

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To be honest, for life it is the
funniest part about trolls is

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the more they're the ones who
comment the.

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Most Oh, they're brilliant.
They're.

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The ones who comment the most,
they're the ones who engage with

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your posts and they're the ones
who send your posts viral.

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They post like you.
You know what, you engage with

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me more.
And if you engage back with them

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and you create all this drama on
your social media within reason

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and composing yourself still
yes, then all of a sudden your

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page has got so much your your
post has got so much engagement

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and it goes viral.
And you know the trolls of have

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paid your bills.
No, they haven't.

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For sure who's got the last
laugh, the the troll who's got

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his comments out or the person
who's been paid off of the

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troll?
So just a little bit more maybe

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Chelsea, we're going to move on
from this.

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People want to know who'd you
like, who do you not like?

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Can you say that?
I can I I can said a bit.

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Really.
What?

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I don't know, Maybe it's a bit
rude to say.

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I'm not gonna say no.
Yeah, I think if you watch the

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show, you will.
If you're, you'll know I'll.

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Reframe The Who you don't like,
but just tell me who you like

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then.
Yeah, Who's your favorite?

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Who I like.
And if you watch the show,

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you'll know who I don't like
'cause that's very clear.

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Yeah.
And and then that is all truth,

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right?
You know, if if I'm saying on

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the I, I do believe, although
things are taken out of context,

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00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,600
I would everything I've said, I
have said I'll take

450
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,200
responsibility for that.
In regards to who I like Rez,

451
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,480
I've known Rez since I've.
Been good buddies.

452
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,480
I've I've since I've been 18.
He's a good friend.

453
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,080
He is a very good friend.
I'll always love Rez on the

454
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,360
show.
You know who I love?

455
00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:04,240
I love Freddy.
He's a child, but he's a child.

456
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,200
But I just love him.
He's so funny.

457
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:11,200
He's so, he's so real.
He he's just a child in a man's

458
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,680
body.
I love him to pieces.

459
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,120
I love Becks.
She's sweet.

460
00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:20,560
She's innocent.
She and Alice and I, my fiance

461
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,400
and I, yes, we we actually sit
there the other day and we just

462
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,000
love sweet people.
Becks is one of those really

463
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,840
sweet characters.
And Yaz, too.

464
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,640
Yaz as well.
Sweet, sweet girl.

465
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,600
Yeah.
I I would say they're our

466
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,880
favorite people on the show.
OK, Yeah.

467
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,280
Raise Becks, Yaz and I'll always
love Rez.

468
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,080
So when we spoke about things
that you like people, you said

469
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,920
loyalty is really important to
you.

470
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,440
What else is really, really
important to you?

471
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,960
What are the values that you
look for in people, friends and

472
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,640
who you work with?
What value is?

473
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,760
Important I just anyone who's
honest, anyone is loyal and

474
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,920
anyone just got a sweetheart,
that's all I really.

475
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,480
Honestly is really big.
Trust is a huge thing.

476
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,680
Yeah, I mean, if you can't trust
your friend, they're not a

477
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:03,960
friend.
I mean, it's as.

478
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000
Simple as that.
I I had a podcast with a

479
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,920
professor of evolutionary
science of Human behaviour and

480
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,800
Oxford professor.
Terribly advanced and all that

481
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,920
stuff.
And he said the number one

482
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,440
reason relationship breaks up is
lack of trust.

483
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,440
It's a breach of trust.
That's it.

484
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,120
That's so important.
Which makes me laugh because of

485
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,800
all the relationships I've seen
on Made in Chelsea and a lot, a

486
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,440
lot of them, I've seen, a lot of
them can't trust each other.

487
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,600
And they will in the sense of
they will discuss things on

488
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,720
camera with friends.
And I find that unbelievable.

489
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:45,480
Alice and I prioritize ourselves
before anything else, right?

490
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,160
I prioritize her before anything
else.

491
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,160
She's everything else comes
second.

492
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,400
My lady, I'm her man.
We prioritize each other and I

493
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,920
don't think you'll ever, I could
pretty much swear to this.

494
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,640
I don't think you'll ever see a
situation on a reality TV show

495
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:08,000
where we have I will argue or we
would let any of our personal

496
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,800
issues come to light.
In my opinion for.

497
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,320
Entertainment.
The only time that they would

498
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,560
come to light is if anyone that
we thought we could trust had

499
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,800
done something wrong.
But at the moment I I don't see

500
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,520
a situation where Alice and I
could possibly have a drama on

501
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,280
the TV show because we wouldn't
let that happen.

502
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,400
Not that we, we've gotten
incredibly fantastic

503
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,840
relationship.
It's not, I've been in toxic

504
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,400
relationships before.
It's not that it's so

505
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,480
constructive.
It's so honest with each other.

506
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,320
We, we, we communicate so well
and there's real love there.

507
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,760
So we're very, very lucky that's
the, we've got the foundations

508
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,800
to a fantastic relationship, but
then we have the intelligence to

509
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,800
build on that to make sure
nothing gets in the way of.

510
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,720
That can I, can I just say
hearing you speak, I worry in

511
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,640
the sense that obviously you're
in there Made in Chelsea

512
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:04,040
environment where you're in the
business of people throwing each

513
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,520
other under the bus for
entertainment.

514
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,480
Let's just be really clear that
that is part of the thing that

515
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,880
goes on and it's fun or
whatever.

516
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,880
But there is the element to have
drama.

517
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,680
You get featured, you get
featured, you get benefits,

518
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,880
right?
So when you've got something

519
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,360
precious like your relationship
and it's there, it's always

520
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:24,080
going to be a risk that someone,
it can be just a, a lie, it can

521
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,680
be a total fabricated lie, but
that it's almost like prepare

522
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,880
for it because it's coming.
It's.

523
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,360
Coming OK, I'm just going to
give, I hear the advice.

524
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,800
I was actually in that scene
because I lived in Battersea and

525
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,960
we kind of hung around together
and it's just, it's a young

526
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,560
life, isn't it?
It's like going out with your

527
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,680
mates and everything.
And when you do meet someone,

528
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,920
there's people and it's like a
real relationship.

529
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,520
There will be people that are.
You're not jealous of that.

530
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,520
Of course.
I mean, yeah.

531
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,880
And I have found each other's
person.

532
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,760
We're we're getting married.
We're planning a wedding.

533
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,480
Let's talk about this.
So how old are you?

534
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,200
I'm 28.
You're 28, you found the love of

535
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,640
your life and you proposed in,
in in what, 6 months?

536
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,000
And that's totally cool.
But you're getting a lot of

537
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,160
stick for that.
Yeah, a lot.

538
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,920
I mean, this is funny, I you say
a lot, but but what I have found

539
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,560
is the people who comment are
the ones are the trolls, right?

540
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,560
The people who engage with you,
the people who give the comments

541
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,920
online, they're the ones who
normally like to attack.

542
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,960
So and it doesn't reflect the
people who are commenting

543
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:36,800
doesn't really reflect the
overwhelming feel of the of the

544
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,080
audience.
Because think about it, and I'll

545
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,400
say this to the people
listening, is everyone listening

546
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,680
at home who has a positive thing
to say?

547
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,960
Are you the type of person who
goes on a 28 year old man's or a

548
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:55,480
23 year old girls Instagram and
comments and nasty comments?

549
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,240
No, you're probably not.
So that type of person who even

550
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,200
even if it's a nice comment,
you've got to be a very

551
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,000
particular type of person to go
out of your way, especially if

552
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,680
you're over the age of 30,
forties, fifties, 60s, to be

553
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:15,240
commenting negative comments on
a 23 year old girl's Instagram.

554
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,800
It's a very strange.
It's a very strange kind of.

555
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,800
Person, but let's just let's
just re establish something here

556
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,920
whilst we're speaking to a wider
audience.

557
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:30,280
It's brilliant that you proposed
and that you thought this is the

558
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,480
woman for me.
I love this, this person.

559
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,480
I want this partner and I'm
going to go for it.

560
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,040
It's just how it should be.
Why does it ideally?

561
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,240
Why do you have to wait?
We have to wait approximately 2

562
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,720
years and six months before we
can get what is all that.

563
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,160
To be honest, garbage.
Forget.

564
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,320
It I think it's people.
The people who say a negative

565
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,760
comment are the ones who are
jealous.

566
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,480
Yeah.
And it's an old fashioned saying

567
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,360
that you say that your mum would
say to you.

568
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,960
They're just that jealous,
darling.

569
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,640
They're jealous, but it's true.
Right.

570
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,080
They see something wrong in
themselves.

571
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,600
They worry like what about me?
Why hasn't happened for me.

572
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,080
So it's a worry from within
them.

573
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,280
They they insecure something.
Something's not quite right

574
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,760
there.
One thing I would say is the

575
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,480
comments online normally tend to
be the negative things, the

576
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,120
small percentage, No, but hear
this right?

577
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,720
That's the norm.
Yeah.

578
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,080
But even in this situation, it
was seen as like there were some

579
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,600
people that said some negative
things online in on the show.

580
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,960
But the overwhelming support, I
mean, there's a post that we

581
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,760
did, someone put something on a
podcast we did like a kind of a

582
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,120
stitching, a joke, a reply.
Yeah, it got million views.

583
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,360
And I would say 90% of the
comments were like, my parents

584
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,360
got married, They're happy.
Married totally.

585
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,240
I got married when here after
three days or whatever everyone

586
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,400
put in their experience and
saying how happily married they

587
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,840
are.
I the support on that was

588
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,120
overwhelming.
Listen, when you know, you know,

589
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,560
yeah. 100% I mean, I I was in
other relationships for three

590
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,920
years, five years, two years and
I always knew I wanted to get

591
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,960
married, but they were never the
right people.

592
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,240
The moment I found my right
person, it wasn't about time, it

593
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,080
was let's let's I know it's the
right person, why would I waste

594
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,800
time?
It's it's a beautiful level of

595
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,240
emotional maturity that you've
got because and and bravery,

596
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,320
because you've got to have the
guts be able to go for stuff.

597
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,680
You go right.
I really, and that's the same in

598
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,560
business as we'll talk about.
It's like you go for the things

599
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,560
that you know, you know it's
right.

600
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,520
So why would you hold back that
that's a disaster.

601
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,000
That's a risk.
Someone's going to snap her up

602
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,240
that Alice was saying Take her
I, I think.

603
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,640
I think everyone who's met Alice
is they go understand why you so

604
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,240
quickly.
And you can tell you guys

605
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,640
because.
Her personality, she is

606
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,000
stunningly beautiful, but her
personality is just someone.

607
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,760
I could put her in a room with
my school friends, yeah.

608
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,720
Or I can put her in a room with
my auntie.

609
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,640
I can put her in a room with my
mum.

610
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,400
I can put her in a room with
anyone.

611
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,560
And they all love her.
You can also put her in a in a

612
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,560
tank with sharks like I made in
Chelsea and she can stick up for

613
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,840
herself which.
Is she's very upset about the

614
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,000
maid in Chelsea she didn't like
across?

615
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,400
Very well.
Yeah, we we she didn't like the

616
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,440
way she came across which and we
didn't feel like it reflected

617
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,920
the sweetness of herself and she
is just such an amazing.

618
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,200
Yeah, but you also don't want
she's, she's amazing and

619
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,000
everything.
But someone got called Vanilla

620
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,480
on the show, which is is sad or
whatever.

621
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,840
But with Alice you can see, yes,
she's amazing, all that stuff.

622
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,600
But it's also amazing to be able
to, when you are thrown in a

623
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,240
shock tank and there are some
shocks in it you can actually

624
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,120
stand up with.
That is admirable.

625
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,560
She should be proud of that.
It's OK to do that, you know,

626
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,840
And you've got a bit of spicy.
I think when good, it's her

627
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,320
first season of doing reality
TV.

628
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,720
She's done really well.
It's gonna be, I mean, even I

629
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,600
struggled my first season
totally.

630
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,480
The first time you see yourself
on ATV show and in your first

631
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,480
time you see negative, yeah,
hard.

632
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,520
It's hard to deal with.
You've got to be very strong to

633
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,520
deal with that.
But but let's, let's talk about

634
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,680
this.
There's more to Alice than you

635
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,520
know.
She's a fiance.

636
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,280
She was on.
She's on TV with you.

637
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,800
She's great and all that stuff.
She saved your life.

638
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,840
OK, so you had sepsis and it was
awful and it's in the newspapers

639
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,040
and everything.
I would like you to talk to us

640
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,960
and tell us what happened, OK,
and how she saved your life

641
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,400
because that's incredible.
She literally saved your life.

642
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,200
Yeah, it's amazing.
And so let's paint the picture

643
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:27,440
right going into November,
December time to everyone who

644
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,560
knows me to I was perfectly
healthy cycling 20 kilometres a

645
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,160
day.
Wow.

646
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,360
You know, I, I, I love my
fitness and I love, you know, I

647
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,760
go through ups and downs of my
fitness, but I love it.

648
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,720
And I was in a moment.
Working out Very very.

649
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:48,920
Fit and I had this irrelevant to
me and pretty much everyone you

650
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,880
know something I got checked up
for pre-existing condition but

651
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,440
it was never a thing you're.
Still healthy?

652
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,120
You're doing your gym, you're
young.

653
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,200
Guy, I was to everyone,
perfectly healthy.

654
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,560
Then all of a sudden, very early
December I got the flu and I

655
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,040
just couldn't shake it.
Then I got an asthma attack on

656
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,040
the back.
I've got my asthma as well, got

657
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,480
an asthma attack on the back of
it.

658
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,760
So I was hospitalised for the
flu and hospitalised for your

659
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,720
asthma attack.
Literally hospitalised,

660
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,840
sometimes hospitalised just
because I couldn't get my

661
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,240
breathing under control.
But one overnight stay let out

662
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,680
back to normal.
But there was something not I

663
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,000
was not feeling right, but just
like.

664
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,800
When you're tired.
Just when you have the flu, just

665
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,880
aches, pain, yeah, just not
feeling back to 100% just like

666
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,480
if you'd had the flu or a cold
maybe times 5.

667
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,920
And for some reason I was not
getting back to 100% and all of

668
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,560
a sudden it just I would have
this back pain this and I

669
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,880
remember this back pain being so
bad that my housemate having to

670
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,400
massage me so much like I was in
so much just.

671
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,880
A random back pain.
No, it's actually a specific

672
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:01,160
pinpoint back pain, which if we
now know, if we knew then we

673
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,240
know now.
I would have been in hospital

674
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,160
straight away.
Where is the back pain?

675
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,880
Just tell us so we all know.
Well, for me it's right in the

676
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,160
shoulder blade, so it's.
Right.

677
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,640
OK, so like a like a needle like
pain or?

678
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,720
So basically I'll I'll get to
that in a minute, but it's this

679
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,520
pain in the shoulder blade and
basically what it is, it's the

680
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,760
pressure on the nerve that's
coming up from somewhere else.

681
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,120
So I had that was the first sign
this pain in the shoulder blade

682
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,240
that wouldn't go.
And then I'm getting worse in

683
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,400
flu like symptoms just like got
no energy, I've got a

684
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,000
temperature at times a bit
breathless.

685
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,160
And then it comes to, I would
like to say the 14th of

686
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,240
December, which I believe is a
Saturday, I might be out one of.

687
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,760
I wouldn't know.
So I believe it's 14th December,

688
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,200
Saturday or 13th December and
Friday we go to Selfridges to do

689
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,840
our Christmas shopping.
I was carrying around my glass

690
00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,400
of water and on my bottle of
water and I couldn't keep myself

691
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,200
quench my my thirst quenched so
I kept on drinking it.

692
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,320
But after an hour I drunk a
litre of water and I turned

693
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,600
around to Alice and I went.
I need to go home.

694
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,199
I just can't quench my first
thirst and I, I feel really

695
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,080
exhausted.
I don't feel right.

696
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,800
So we just stopped our Christmas
shopping.

697
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,639
I was even buying another
friend.

698
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:22,600
Did you?
Have a fever?

699
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,920
I wasn't really sure.
I was becoming a little bit

700
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,120
delirious at this point and we
weren't checking the signs.

701
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,480
We just knew I was struggling.
Everyone said it was the asthma

702
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,639
probably or what not.
And you know, we'd been in that

703
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,480
of hospitals.
No one could really pinpoint

704
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,679
what was going on at this.
Point.

705
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:42,840
Nothing determined.
No, so I just got home, went to

706
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:48,320
bed and I'm meant to be going to
Dubai on Monday I believe for

707
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,280
business, which would have been
the 16th of December.

708
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,400
Booked my flight and everything.
The pressure's there.

709
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:55,880
Pressure.
We watched a movie.

710
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,600
I didn't move from bed all
night.

711
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,360
All day Sunday I did not move
from bed.

712
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,080
OK.
And.

713
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,560
I'm a bit delirious now.
It's getting a little bit worse

714
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,080
and I must have had a
temperature.

715
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,880
I was exhausted.
I didn't move from bed.

716
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,400
I'm delirious.
Did you eat anything?

717
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,120
My lip, No, not really my I
don't remember Now most of this

718
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,320
OK, I'm just this is just what I
can recollect from photos, what

719
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,320
people have told me.
OK, so you're really?

720
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:26,000
Starting from that Friday, I
went from, I remember that and

721
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,600
it went, it just deteriorated
really fast, really quickly to

722
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,640
the point on Monday morning
Alice had to go to work and I

723
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,880
was taking care of my brother's
dog and she goes to me.

724
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,720
You've got to walk the dog and
you've got to, you know, get

725
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:42,920
your bagpack.
You're leaving for Dubai in six

726
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,720
hours.
And she's thinking.

727
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,160
She's looking at me, but she's
got to go to work and she's

728
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,240
going.
There's something wrong here.

729
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,200
She comes back.
I haven't moved.

730
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,000
Dog's not been walked.
Bearing in mind though, this is

731
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,280
my brother's dog.
We've been taken care of, Dog

732
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,560
has not moved.
I think one of my friends came

733
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,080
round and actually took him out
for a walk.

734
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,400
And I have not moved from the
bed, no, my lips are dried and

735
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,920
there's actually a photo of me
in my dressing gown.

736
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,840
So I'd got into the shower but I
got out of the shower and just

737
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,760
laid in the bed and she took a
photo of me and she said to my

738
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,480
mum, she went and she called my
mum off FaceTime.

739
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,240
My mum, again, I don't remember
any of this and I think she put

740
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:19,360
my mum on FaceTime in front of
my face.

741
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,080
I don't remember a single thing.
Apparently I started to make

742
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,560
sense then.
So then they thought that I went

743
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,840
from and I was taking a lot of
pain medication, loads of

744
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,920
codeine for this, for this pain,
which we thought was the

745
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,640
irritation.
So in their head they've got no

746
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,960
idea what's going on.
No one knows because we've got,

747
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,880
we've been.
So they think.

748
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,000
And then because I'm delirious,
they're asking me how much

749
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,920
codeine I'm taking and I'm going
I I don't remember maybe this or

750
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,600
this.
Come.

751
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,560
On in their head.
I've taken too much coding.

752
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,600
Well, luckily something stemmed
a thought.

753
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,960
I can't remember exactly what
happens or in exactly what

754
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,440
order, but they've made the
group decision.

755
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,040
I mean, between them to get me
into hospital.

756
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,880
Come on.
So, but this was like the five

757
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,440
fifth time we've called an
ambulance.

758
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,960
And I can't say to you when
because of so many different

759
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,720
things going wrong with asthma,
flu, this or that.

760
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,040
And at those times they did
check my blood.

761
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:20,720
So what happened later wasn't
what was present at the start.

762
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,280
So it was like the flu or the
asthma would weaken my immune

763
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,000
system so much.
It was just the flu.

764
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,400
It was just asthma, but it
weakened me so much that it

765
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,920
meant then it allowed me to
contract an infection around the

766
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,240
Thursday or Friday, which then
just spiralled out control till

767
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:40,560
the Monday the 16th of December
where I was still now in a

768
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,160
hospital.
And all I remember, don't

769
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,640
remember anything, All I
remember was in a lot of pain

770
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,480
sort of rolling around on this
hospital bed.

771
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:56,560
And this doctor comes in and he
goes, he's shocked in the face

772
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,200
because the blood results just
come back and he's got, he's

773
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,000
just turned to us.
And I don't think he's known

774
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,320
that because they've, he wasn't
really paying attention at

775
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,960
first.
He'd see me like 4 times.

776
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,440
I'd had asthma, I'd had the flu.
There was nothing.

777
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,560
Wrong, you'd see me, looks good,
whatever, nothing wrong with it.

778
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,120
And he done done my blood before
the nothing had been wrong.

779
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,360
They were well within their
right to send me back home.

780
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,000
So we don't know what point it
don't know what point I

781
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,360
contracted the infection.
And we don't know how we got to

782
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,600
the situation we got to.
But he turned around to me and

783
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,080
he went to me, my mum, I'm
going.

784
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,200
You're going into liver and
kidney failure and then they

785
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,120
they start.
So you heard him saying this?

786
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,440
And I think the next start
they're going, we're taking you

787
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,200
to resuscitation.
So all of a sudden you're,

788
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,440
you're thinking you've come in
here for maybe taking too much

789
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,480
codeine pain and my liver and
kidney are failing.

790
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,200
Now all of a sudden everything's
sides click because I've got a

791
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,240
pre-existing liver condition.
So we obviously know it's

792
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:51,760
something, but we don't
understand how it's all

793
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,120
connected and we don't, we, we
really don't.

794
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,640
And they rushed me to
resuscitation department.

795
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,280
I mean, I, I, I don't, I think I
cry a lot, but I, I broke down

796
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:03,760
at that.
Point.

797
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,320
I had to cry.
Yeah, I broke down and my fiance

798
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,200
Alice was, she was up in on the
way to a job up north and she

799
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,880
was on a train and I called her
and she just, she broke it out

800
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,480
into tears and she got on the
train straight back.

801
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,200
Yes, they're rushing me into
resuscitation team.

802
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:27,200
And yeah, I mean, we don't know
how anything happened and a lot

803
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,280
still doesn't make sense to us.
We're still seeing clinics to

804
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,200
understand what's really gone
on, what's happened with my

805
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,160
liver disease to mean this can
now happen.

806
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,760
But with the disease I've got,
basically what we found out

807
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,680
recently is they don't know
anything about it.

808
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,680
They know I've got something
wrong with my liver.

809
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,760
They know it could impact me in
the future and they're just

810
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,400
there to help along the way.
Right now I'm fine but it could

811
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,720
deteriorate to a point where I
need a liver transplant and OK

812
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:01,920
that that's just they will take
care of me from A to B Hopefully

813
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,000
I never get to B.
Yeah, stay around a but we have

814
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,800
had situations where the liver
is showing signs of struggling.

815
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,880
So yeah, I, I don't drink
anymore.

816
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,760
I, I don't, yeah, I, I don't do
anything which could impair my

817
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,200
liver function.
I'm completely Yeah, just very,

818
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,320
very careful, eating very
healthy, getting back into my

819
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,600
exercise very slowly.
Yes, but yeah, it was.

820
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,800
That's tough that that is
stressful and scary for you.

821
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,160
I can imagine that was horrible.
So they, you went in, you

822
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,640
thought it was something else.
And then they said to you, you,

823
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,960
you know that you're going to
have this.

824
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,160
You're going into all this
failure, organ failure here.

825
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,240
You've got sepsis.
Tell me that then.

826
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,400
But they knew you had.
No, they didn't.

827
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,920
Essentially they didn't know.
They just could see my liver and

828
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,320
kidney function were going
wrong.

829
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,080
They didn't know.
They didn't know what I'd have

830
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,480
got.
They, they were just, they were

831
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,920
asking me all the questions,
doing all the tests.

832
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,160
They, I was, they my bed was
wheeled around all different

833
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,560
parts of the hospital to try and
find out what was going wrong.

834
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,480
And it wasn't, they never came
to an exact decision.

835
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,200
It was more we ruled out
everything else.

836
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,400
So it and then when we spoke to
a liver specialist, it was very

837
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,840
much confirmed.
Now we actually know you've got

838
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,480
this disease, this all makes
sense.

839
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,480
And yeah, they put me on these
industrial cleaning, like

840
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,400
antibiotics.
Oh gosh, these are the words

841
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,040
they said.
Hardcore.

842
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,080
When they they, they can they
destroy everything.

843
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,240
This is the real deal.
Yeah.

844
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:31,360
They're like, she was like,
they're like the the most, the

845
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,800
strongest antibiotics you can
get.

846
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,200
Wow.
Strongest antiviral you can get.

847
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,280
Throw them in, thrush you out.
Throw those babies.

848
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,080
In and for the first two days I
didn't respond.

849
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,840
Liver funk.
If anything, the the liver, my

850
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,760
CRP, which shows the liver.
Yeah, performance.

851
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,080
It kept them going up into I was
in the four hundreds, like

852
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,880
really high, like basically my
liver.

853
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,960
They were literally saying to
me, your liver might give up.

854
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,240
And at that point we're going to
take a liver function.

855
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,760
Yeah.
So we'll put you on dial and

856
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,160
your kidney function, we'll put
you on dialysis and we'll we'll

857
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:05,200
get, we're here, we're in ICU.
We're we're ready for you.

858
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,160
We've got your bed and this is
what I'm being told.

859
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,040
And you know, luckily they
something worked started to kick

860
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,560
in and they.
Started to absorb, but the liver

861
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,960
is one of the few organs in the
body that can fully regenerate.

862
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,840
So unfortunately that doesn't
apply to my liver.

863
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,240
It doesn't.
I've got congenital hepatic

864
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:29,320
fibrosis.
OK so the way my liver is is

865
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,760
it's got cysts on it and bumps
and although the liver

866
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,120
regenerates, mind still
regenerates with this disease.

867
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:38,960
OK, so it's got the cyst, but it
can regenerate to some point

868
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,440
still.
But that's not what.

869
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,120
But that's not the issue,
that's.

870
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,840
Not the issue the the liver has
a disease in it, so its norm is

871
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,120
with this disease.
So every time if, let's say if

872
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,640
it does take impact, it's
regenerating with the disease

873
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,000
and the disease is getting.
Worse.

874
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,920
So how long have you had this
then your whole?

875
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,880
Since I was 4.
Since you're 4 and they very.

876
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,680
Much said to me.
I've gone in for six monthly

877
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,280
annual annual checkups and it's
like you're fine.

878
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,080
Yeah, you could have a.
Drink, you're healthy, you look

879
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,120
great.
Exactly.

880
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,560
You ever got any of this?
No, no symptoms.

881
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,920
Nothing.
Nothing other than just give me

882
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,160
some medication and this is what
they said is always, but they

883
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,440
don't tell you this because it
could never happen with my

884
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,400
disease.
They don't know.

885
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,320
They don't know enough about it
basically.

886
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,800
Well, they're going to Start
learning now, I thought they.

887
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,320
We, we would go every year.
I thought we were going to a

888
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,520
clinic for my disease.
And what I found out is from a

889
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,600
doctor in the last clinic was
actually, no, my clinic is for

890
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,160
liver diseases.
And in that clinic, I'm like one

891
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,520
of four people that she's seen
in her history of being a doctor

892
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,440
with my disease.
Wow.

893
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,400
Well, it was something
ridiculously low like that.

894
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,040
Like it was.
Scary thing with doctors when

895
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,240
you do get ill is you realize
that not all of them know enough

896
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:56,680
about you anything.
But why don't you guys?

897
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:58,320
Surely you guys should know.
Come on.

898
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,160
Yeah.
And they don't always know.

899
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,080
Or there's some very specific
thing or this one might have a

900
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,440
bit of that information that
might have a bit.

901
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,080
But no one really knows one
person with everything.

902
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,720
Or it's rare to find that.
Don't get me wrong, and this is

903
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:11,000
something I want to say very
clearly.

904
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,680
I have, I think the NHS have
been amazing.

905
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:16,880
They're the reason I'm here
alive today.

906
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,760
They their care is fantastic.
We are so fortunate in the UK

907
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,960
and God hope right now with
everything going on in with the

908
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,120
NHS, let's hope it's safe
because I, I think you, we are

909
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,400
one of many countries that have
got a healthcare to be proud of.

910
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,880
America are letting their people
die on the streets because they

911
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,160
don't have private insurance.
Be thankful.

912
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,400
We are likely to have to have.
And I'm going to say that and I

913
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,760
will, I will sing their praises,
praises all day, every single

914
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,960
day.
But yes, it is very scary to see

915
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,840
how little they know about some
things.

916
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,000
But that's to be expected.
You know, they don't.

917
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,240
They are human.
They are, they are followed.

918
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:04,080
If a new disease comes out,
there are some scary.

919
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,200
You're going to have to
together, work together to get

920
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,640
the information out and, and to
find it out, find it out and get

921
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,920
it out.
So for those people that don't

922
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,800
know sepsis, it's it's blood
poisoning.

923
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,560
I mean, in the simplest, what is
it then?

924
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,040
Sorry.
This is sepsis is really as

925
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,040
simple and This is why sepsis
isn't a disease like congenital

926
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,880
hepatic fibrosis.
Sepsis isn't cancer.

927
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,680
It isn't leukemia.
It isn't a specific type of

928
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,680
disease.
Sepsis can happen to anyone.

929
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,520
It's any type of infection which
gets out of control.

930
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,080
That's why you must treat
infections if you're feeling

931
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,920
ill, if you're feeling unwell,
if you've got a chest infection,

932
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,720
a throat infection, anything
like this, if you've got a rash

933
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:52,480
up here, if you've got a lump,
any of these kinds of

934
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,640
infections, whether they are,
they can.

935
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:59,200
All become septic Exactly.
So what's the difference?

936
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:03,480
So that's So what sepsis is
understanding really, and this

937
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,040
is real, really the crux of it
is understanding of let not

938
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,160
letting things go untreated.
If things go untreated, they can

939
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,520
become a lot, lot worse.
And so there's something like

940
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,920
one in five deaths are sepsis
related because of infections

941
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,880
they've got out of control that
you've picked up in hospital.

942
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,880
A splinter.
My uncle got a splinter and lost

943
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,200
his toe because of the infection
getting out of control.

944
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,120
It's all of these different
things.

945
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,280
You can pick them up anywhere
now, I think.

946
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,000
I don't know the exact
percentage.

947
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:41,640
So what there is one in five
deaths are sepsis related and of

948
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,280
those one in five deaths,
there's a very high percentage,

949
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,960
I'm not going to say what the
percentage is because I don't

950
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,400
know it, but there's a very high
percentage of those deaths which

951
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:55,160
are avoidable if caught earlier.
Now that is for finding out

952
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,920
stuff that is sepsis related, do
follow the UKST website.

953
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,080
They are.
Put links in.

954
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,120
There is a slogan there which it
spells out sepsis and those are

955
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,960
the symptoms and so shortness
and breath.

956
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,320
Which is what you had.
Temperature, yeah.

957
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,800
What you had.
Dehydration, delirium, these.

958
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,600
Kinds of things.
Yeah, do look at the UKST

959
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,680
website, the Sepsis Trust.
They are fantastic.

960
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,520
I'm I'm an ambassador for them.
I'm working with them.

961
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,920
As it's so good that you use
what what happened to you in a

962
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,880
positive way to to shine a light
on this thing because not many

963
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,680
people know about it at.
All exactly.

964
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,320
And it's so common.
Seriously.

965
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,880
I think where we I've got a
somewhat of a social media

966
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,880
platform.
I was on Good Morning Britain, I

967
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,400
do Made in Chelsea.
Decent centre put yourself.

968
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:44,240
Down Well, there are the critics
out there who have to chime in

969
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,680
and go, oh, say whatever about
when, when I try and say I'm

970
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,080
using the platform for whatever,
they go, OK.

971
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:50,960
Well, where?
Where's their?

972
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,480
Platform years or?
Let them grow their platform.

973
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,040
Who cares?
My point is, yeah, even if there

974
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,800
is just one of my friends.
Following me totally.

975
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,920
One of my friends who sees this
forget the platform for a

976
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,040
second.
One person, one friend, one

977
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,320
family member, plus who else
whoever else sees it.

978
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,920
If all of a sudden they see this
and someone they know or

979
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,040
themselves or someone related to
them has these symptoms and they

980
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,640
spotted out earlier than what
they would have before and by

981
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,680
that get them treated and by
that save a life.

982
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,840
Oh fuck me, have I done my.
Job then you've done you've done

983
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,200
your job well and.
I would not wish on my worst

984
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,520
enemy what I went through,
waking up in a hospital bed,

985
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,560
sweat, not knowing where you
are, not knowing if you're going

986
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,520
to make it out of that, if
you're gonna see the outside

987
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,280
world again.
Fleming Scary.

988
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,040
Yeah.
Wondering should I have had a

989
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,200
will set up?
Does everyone you know where

990
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,880
everything is thinking that the
age of 28?

991
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:45,920
No.
Yeah, but that's the thing

992
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,880
because, because I, I came
across the article about you

993
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,440
with sepsis and it it's touched
me closely because my dad is

994
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,240
still in hospital in Poland.
Yeah, it's OK.

995
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,760
He had a hernia pressure, but
then he developed out of the

996
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,840
hospital, He came back home and
he developed this sepsis.

997
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,440
So he had a wound that basically
became septic.

998
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,200
And The thing is, my parents,
they're both very good.

999
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,760
They understand medical things,
they're very smart and that

1000
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,320
stuff.
They always told us all you need

1001
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,320
to do this.
And they always have the recipes

1002
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,240
and the things of when
something's going wrong with

1003
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:18,520
you.
They always tell you natural

1004
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,200
medicines and real medicines and
why aren't you in antibiotics

1005
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,400
yet?
They're so good at health.

1006
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,040
But so I'm surprised that my
mom, it took her a while to to

1007
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,400
realize that he had this because
he just looked like he was

1008
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,800
sleeping with rosy cheeks and he
looked like it resting so

1009
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,640
nicely.
But then when she actually

1010
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,680
eventually she's woke him up,
she was like, come on man, are

1011
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:37,680
you sleeping?
Like this is 2.

1012
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,440
Yeah.
And then, yeah, I'm not going to

1013
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,920
go into the details there.
So awful, awful.

1014
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,160
And then the sepsis, the
antibiotics that you talk about,

1015
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,080
they put it inside in a sponge
format into the wound to lap it

1016
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,200
up.
And then all this stuff.

1017
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:53,880
It's it's quite but that you can
deteriorate very, very, very

1018
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,600
quickly.
It's just crazy.

1019
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:57,800
The sepsis thing.
Yeah.

1020
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:02,440
I, I, I think that's the biggest
thing is it's, that's why you

1021
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,880
must not let anything go
untreated.

1022
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:10,520
Anything at all, whether you're
1 or 99, anything that goes

1023
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,600
untreated, it's because you
don't think it will take too

1024
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,480
long in A&E or you're not going
to get seen to by your GP.

1025
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,200
They are excuses.
Do not do that.

1026
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,680
Go and see your GP.
If you're really concerned, get

1027
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,280
to A&E, yeah.
It's not normal.

1028
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,800
It's the symptoms that you, the
breathlessness and the fever and

1029
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,120
it's the deli.
It's not normal and you're not

1030
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,480
getting up and it's like a day's
go.

1031
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,880
You're still in bed.
Why are you in bed so?

1032
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,320
Long and I think that's the.
It's not your.

1033
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,120
Thing it's not rather because
when you're in that situation,

1034
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,680
you may not spot it yourself
because or you're you don't not

1035
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,120
even think.
Exactly.

1036
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,600
So it's about.
People around you to be spotting

1037
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,120
those you know.
For me, I'm very lucky and

1038
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,200
thankful to my fiance and my mum
and for other people it's about

1039
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,200
those people around them.
Exactly in your case is Alice

1040
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,200
and in my case is my mom,
because eventually she picked up

1041
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,320
that phone because if she hadn't
been there, if she had gone out

1042
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,360
for the day and does not come
back till, I don't know, late at

1043
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,240
night, my dad might not be.
And you.

1044
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,320
So it's like these people around
you, they need to keep an eye on

1045
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,240
their on their patients or just
check in and thank God we've got

1046
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:15,880
those loved ones around us to to
look after us.

1047
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,440
But I appreciate it's like
health anxiety and.

1048
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,040
I mean, I think that's been the
hardest.

1049
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:29,160
I mean, physically I have been,
I've, I've, I've healed, right?

1050
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,400
It's only been, it's been 6
months.

1051
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,600
I would say I lost an extreme
amount of weight, felt extremely

1052
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,440
weak.
But that all comes back.

1053
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,160
And with your physical health,
you can see the progression

1054
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,560
line, right?
You can see yourself getting

1055
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,120
better.
You can see yourself getting

1056
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:50,600
healthier, but you can't see
that with your mental health and

1057
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:53,200
you don't.
And that's the same in, in real

1058
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,960
life with other situations in,
with mental health, you can

1059
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,400
never see how well your mental
health's doing or what's on the

1060
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,400
inside.
It's not a, there's no, there's

1061
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,720
no result or mathematical
equation to it.

1062
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:09,120
So I, it's something I've really
struggled with and not in the

1063
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,880
sense of being depressed, more
in the sense of the health

1064
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:20,480
anxiety that follows and
constantly worried that if I get

1065
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,400
another symptom, could that lead
to an infection?

1066
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,440
Could that be sepsis?
Constantly worried about that.

1067
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,720
The unknowing.
There is no aftercare.

1068
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:32,280
There's support.
You know what was really

1069
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:39,600
interesting though, I, there was
someone recently, someone

1070
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,880
recently, I watched the Theory
of Everything again the other

1071
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,960
night and someone like Stephen
Hawking.

1072
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,800
I mean obviously out of this
world intelligent person, but

1073
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,800
forget about that for a second,
at the age of I think it was

1074
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,960
18/19/20, around that age, when
he was in university at

1075
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,920
Cambridge or Oxford, wherever he
went, I believe it was

1076
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:07,320
Cambridge, he was told he had
two years left to live and it

1077
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,160
was how he managed to deal with
that mentally.

1078
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,120
God.
And then still do what he did

1079
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,360
and live to the age he lived to
while losing control of all his

1080
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,120
body.
I turned around to myself and I

1081
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:27,320
went, yeah, if he can do that,
then you know that that to me,

1082
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,480
I'm very big believer in
manifestation, positivity and

1083
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:33,240
what you believe in, what you
attract.

1084
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:36,600
So I was like, if he can deal
with that, yeah, he was put on

1085
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,520
this world to do that.
I believe I can.

1086
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,400
I don't have to focus on what if
my liver gets worse

1087
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,400
progressively?
What What happens if I have to

1088
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,480
have a liver transplant?
Because it might not as well.

1089
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,840
It might not.
So don't focus on that.

1090
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,400
Focus on what I want to do and
what I'm going to believe.

1091
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,240
He he's, I mean, what an
impressive.

1092
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,680
And I think, and you know, we
spoke about this before this

1093
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,680
podcast where I said the fact
that you know about what's

1094
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,520
happened to you, you've been
through it, you heard what the

1095
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,640
doctor said, you've got all this
organ failure thing happening

1096
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,480
and you've got it's like really
stressful situation.

1097
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,280
You now know that.
And in a way, this becomes your

1098
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,800
tool and and it's your friend
because with that information,

1099
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,000
you are better equipped, you're
more knowledgeable, you're just

1100
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,040
in a better position to then if
there is the symptom you are,

1101
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,280
you will much better diagnose
this.

1102
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,840
OK, yes, we'll give anxiety, but
that's a good thing.

1103
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,800
Anxiety is a good thing when
it's protecting you.

1104
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,080
So I don't think you should be
like, oh, I've got anxiety.

1105
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:38,400
Actually, this is all your
friend.

1106
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,080
This happened to make you
stronger.

1107
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,480
And it's it's a tool in your
tool kit for sure.

1108
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,640
That's it.
And and since the first

1109
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,440
infection, I now know what the
signs are.

1110
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,440
I've had infections since and
because I've spotted the signs

1111
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,480
early, I've not become.
You've not become sick.

1112
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:57,880
Not being hospitalized and fine,
we're now, yeah.

1113
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,600
And you're going to be building
your immune system and you're

1114
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,640
building your knowledge as well
and you're learning about the

1115
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,440
condition that you have the
pre-existing condition.

1116
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,320
So all of that stuff, it's, it's
all tools that you take with

1117
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,200
you.
It's making you better, sharper,

1118
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,440
stronger, better cooked in every
way.

1119
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,440
And I mean, I, I just think you
use this stuff, don't you?

1120
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,440
In life, you use it.
And what you're doing now,

1121
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,920
speaking about sepsis as well,
we're doing here.

1122
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,240
It's a good thing.
This is all a positive.

1123
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,600
I mean, off a terrible thing
that happened, it's actually

1124
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,040
also good.
Yeah, and that's that's it,

1125
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,280
we've got it.
You know, there was a horrific

1126
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:36,120
case especially which you know
UK STR heavily working on which

1127
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:41,720
was of a lady who was a nurse,
her son had got an infection.

1128
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:44,040
I don't know the insurance and
outs of the particular story,

1129
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,800
but if you sit you'll see.
You would have seen it maybe

1130
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,680
around.
But a big thing is,

1131
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,480
unfortunately, she knew it was,
she could spot sepsis.

1132
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,280
She called her head.
She was a nurse.

1133
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,720
She pulled her head to the A&E
department.

1134
00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:57,880
She went, I think my son's got
sepsis.

1135
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,560
I'm bringing him in.
Some things weren't carried out

1136
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,720
particularly well.
And unfortunately, her son

1137
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,640
passed away.
No, out of that horrific

1138
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,600
situation.
And God, you know nothing will

1139
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,160
ever bring back her son.
He literally passed away from.

1140
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,080
There's, there's, there's
nothing that will ever bring

1141
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,080
back her son.
And I'm, I'm so, so sorry to for

1142
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:20,920
her to have to have gone through
that.

1143
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,520
Oh my God.
But there and there is a but

1144
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,600
here, but the the time there is
a positive to have come out of

1145
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,440
the situation, although the
positive does not outweigh the

1146
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,040
negative and I need to make that
very, very clear, there is still

1147
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,960
a positive to come out of the
situation and that is this

1148
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,920
massive inquest which has now
gone on.

1149
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,880
How?
How to how it happened?

1150
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,840
And how we avoid it happening
again in the future.

1151
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,280
That's what's motivating her.
She's she's heading this

1152
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,360
inquest.
She wants to make sure no mother

1153
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,080
goes through the same situation
as what she went through.

1154
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,000
So, yeah, what a fantastic woman
she is.

1155
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,120
And we have to, we have to work
on the.

1156
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,640
Positive, well, it helps with
the mental side of it to mental

1157
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,840
health side of it to try and
just turn it to help other

1158
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,120
people with it as well.
So I think yeah.

1159
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,800
And I, and I hope for you as
well, Sam, that you just this

1160
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:08,960
doesn't define you.
It's a part of you.

1161
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,080
It doesn't define you.
So you've got to just, it's

1162
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,960
something that happened and
you've got, you're engaged,

1163
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,000
you've got, you've got all this
stuff going on and you've just

1164
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,160
got to fly and spread those
wings as wide as you possibly

1165
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,040
can and enjoy, enjoy the, the
journey.

1166
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,040
Exactly.
The other side of you that I

1167
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,360
really want to talk about is
your business side, because

1168
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,200
you're, you're a pretty smart
guy, you're a founder, you've

1169
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,960
got this business side to you
that people don't know about.

1170
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,960
So for those that don't know,
tell us a little bit about your

1171
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,640
business side.
What do you do?

1172
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,600
So I've since the age of 18, I
didn't go to university.

1173
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,880
I always wanted to work and work
hard.

1174
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,400
I worked to my grandfather's
building sites.

1175
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,920
I worked as a DJ for my mum and
dad's DJ agency.

1176
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,800
I worked as a bar back in bars.
I I wanted to work in the real

1177
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:55,840
world.
I didn't want to.

1178
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,720
I wasn't an academic.
My brother was an academic man

1179
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,160
through and through, a straight
A star student, Cambridge grad.

1180
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,160
He he was real competition to
deal with.

1181
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,720
I was, I wasn't by any means not
intelligent enough to go to

1182
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,200
university.
I had offers from great

1183
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,960
university but that was not my
personality.

1184
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,040
I was someone who wanted to get
into the working world.

1185
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,680
So I, I left my A levels and
well, I finished my A levels but

1186
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,120
I didn't go to university.
I went straight into the city,

1187
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,600
started working for another
young man who just started his

1188
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,920
own foreign exchange brokerage
business and started working for

1189
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,880
him.
And my mum said I could sell the

1190
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,080
classic sounds, I could sell
sand to the Arabs, ice to the

1191
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:41,640
Eskimos, that that was my gift.
It was you I would talk.

1192
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,600
Hence why I was went to a
different school.

1193
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,680
Hence why.
I was you should have gone an

1194
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,160
apprentice.
Yeah, I mean.

1195
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:49,840
You would be good.
On I would have loved to have

1196
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,400
done The Apprentice, Really,
really would have loved to,

1197
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,520
yeah.
Don't know why I never applied,

1198
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:55,640
but would have loved to have
done it.

1199
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,000
You can still do it, yeah.
Celebrity.

1200
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,920
And so I started working for
this guy and he wasn't the most

1201
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,440
intelligent person, but fair
play.

1202
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:11,200
Give credit where credit is due.
He was a hard worker.

1203
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,880
He'd worked in the industry,
he'd had experience and he, you

1204
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,040
could just tell.
I went for other interviews as

1205
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,360
well.
And I could just tell, even in

1206
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:23,680
that young, naive age that I was
18 years of age, I could tell

1207
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,000
that he was going to build
something pretty amazing.

1208
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,400
So I worked for him.
I lied to my mum about where his

1209
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,680
offices were because he was a
young man working in the garages

1210
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,520
above his dad's, the offices
above his dad's garage because

1211
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,240
his dad had a car garage.
Yeah.

1212
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:43,240
And there was us a bunch of 21
and unders working, selling

1213
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,680
currency to.
It was quite like waffle Wall

1214
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,920
Street moments.
Yeah, selling currency to.

1215
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,160
You guys are doing your own
thing.

1216
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,920
Yeah, we were.
We were selling currency to

1217
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,720
import export companies, anyone
who needed it and saving the

1218
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,240
money.
So we were doing, we were doing

1219
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,000
good thing we're helping people
save money and we were making

1220
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,760
money and we were, we were
grafters and we went out and we

1221
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,920
grafted and we built this
business into the business is

1222
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,880
still going today, I believe.
I think he does.

1223
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,720
I think it's still doing very,
very well.

1224
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,480
I was the head of sales for the
company at one point and we're

1225
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,360
talking we grew this from
nothing.

1226
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,960
When I started it was doing
under 10,000 a month gross

1227
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,160
profit.
To the point where I left and it

1228
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,240
was doing in the hundreds of
thousands a month, you know, in

1229
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,040
the millions a year.
And I believe it's far outgrown

1230
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,440
that now.
And I went and unfortunately

1231
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,560
situations happened where I
didn't, you know, I butted heads

1232
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,320
with the senior director of the
business and it wasn't right for

1233
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,880
me.
And I had this opportunity with

1234
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,880
two of the other guys that I'd
worked with to start my own

1235
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,960
business.
And my grandfather had always

1236
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,400
said to me, it's like, you know,
he, I was work doing, earning

1237
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,320
good money at the age of
18/19/20 for this individual.

1238
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,680
But he always turned around to
me and he went, it's fantastic

1239
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,960
that you're doing well.
There's nothing like working for

1240
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,760
yourself.
And I come from a family of

1241
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,920
entrepreneurs, you know, and my
grandfather owned his own

1242
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,480
building company.
It's just different.

1243
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:06,240
My mum and dad own owning their
own music business, DJ Agency.

1244
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,120
You've got that bug, you've
caught it.

1245
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,240
It was, it was contagious.
It was more.

1246
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,560
About proving I can do this too.
So it was a perfect opportunity.

1247
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,640
Opportunity me along with two of
the guys I used to work with.

1248
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,800
You either have it or you don't.
Yeah, 100% and we went and

1249
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,640
started our own business and
that went really well for 3-4

1250
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,800
years.
And then my grandfather says the

1251
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,920
next follow up comment, which
was, yeah, but you've got

1252
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,720
business partners.
And you know what?

1253
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,480
It's my grandfather's comments,
my mum's father.

1254
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,720
And it really, it really
resonated with me.

1255
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,000
They really stuck in my head.
And it's the same as the way I,

1256
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,840
you know, I would get annoyed at
him for saying those things.

1257
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,920
You know, why can't you just be,
you know, proud of me?

1258
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,640
But at the same time, it's those
kind of constructive criticism

1259
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,040
comments that come out.
They pushed me to, you know, now

1260
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,080
I run my own business completely
100% on my own.

1261
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:02,320
So yes, I have run a mixture of
different foreign exchange

1262
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,560
businesses, but essentially
worked my way up the ladder from

1263
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,600
working for someone to having my
own business with business

1264
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:13,680
partners to now being share,
share singular shareholder from

1265
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,320
my own current company.
And now we're expanding at the

1266
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:17,840
moment, so.
What is the company?

1267
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,920
What are you doing?
Vanderpump FX, yes.

1268
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,160
So everything's got to be in
line with the branding of the

1269
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,520
last name.
Yeah, we, we're a currency

1270
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,560
exchange brokerage.
We, we did, we exchanged quite a

1271
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,080
lot.
I think in January we exchanged

1272
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,640
10 million.
So that was one of our record

1273
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,760
mumps, which was fantastic.
And yeah, we're we're growing,

1274
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,040
we're growing year on year.
So that's all really, really

1275
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,920
exciting.
This you wouldn't see that about

1276
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,560
you many Chelsea.
None of that this

1277
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,560
entrepreneurial story.
And then I got called in by some

1278
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,840
relevant person on the show,
called me a neppo baby.

1279
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,040
And you know what's really.
He's going to ask you has

1280
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,360
something being handed to you.
You're doing this by yourself.

1281
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:58,760
Firstly, my dad when he passed
away, passed away and get passed

1282
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:03,200
me on debt so okay ohh that's
you know that the idea that

1283
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,240
someone has given me something
to get to where I am.

1284
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,960
These are all.
Let's let's squash that right

1285
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,680
now.
No ones given Sam anything and

1286
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,920
he's built this by himself, so
let's clear that up.

1287
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,760
Comment It is a horrible
comment.

1288
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,480
It's.
A It's a ridiculous comment.

1289
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:21,520
And it's not true.
It's.

1290
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:25,120
Not true, the only person that
could potentially have given me

1291
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,720
something would be my auntie
who's yes worth 10s of millions

1292
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,160
if not hundreds.
But can I ask you this?

1293
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,160
What Auntie?
Yeah, just gives you stuff.

1294
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, there it is.

1295
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,320
Does anyone have an auntie Just
give?

1296
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,000
You a couple £1,000,000 or let's
say your auntie's got 100.

1297
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,000
Let's let's you know it doesn't
have to be whatever money, but

1298
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,440
if your auntie's got a few
100,000, what auntie just comes

1299
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,560
along and gives you 1000 lbs to
start your business?

1300
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,600
It's all relative and it's all
bullshit.

1301
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,680
What she has given you is some
really good advice that can be

1302
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,040
advice advice and that that you.
Can find and I would want that

1303
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,360
yeah every day far more and I'm
looking into the camera to.

1304
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:01,440
Read.
That's going to make you the

1305
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,080
money.
Yeah, no, but it's good we're

1306
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,920
clearing this up now like you
are building stuff by yourself,

1307
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,360
OK.
I value the advice I've got from

1308
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,440
my family more than anything.
Totally, and that's all that

1309
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,920
I've ever got.
Because that's what you can take

1310
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,320
with you and that's what's going
to make you money, your own

1311
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:17,960
money.
And not any hand me downstairs

1312
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,640
anybody.
And I've got into places of debt

1313
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,360
at point, you know, in starting
my own businesses and I had to

1314
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,040
work my way out of those, those
debt holes.

1315
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,960
You know, when I first started
one of the first companies when

1316
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,280
we had business partners, I
remember a point because we were

1317
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,040
self funding the business
ourselves.

1318
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,520
We'd built up a a pot of money.
We'd gone in to start this

1319
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,480
business, but obviously it takes
a bit of cash.

1320
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,640
So we'd put all this cash in and
we were all extremely low on

1321
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,040
cash.
And me and the other two

1322
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,360
business partners to the point
where I think I essentially had

1323
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,400
a credit card which I probably
owe 10 grand on.

1324
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,520
Yeah, I was really, I was
struggling until the company

1325
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,520
started to do really well and we
we skyrocketed, we slingshot.

1326
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,840
But we did that knowing what
we'd built at another company,

1327
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,720
knowing we'd build it again.
And when I went and started 1/3

1328
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,680
business, it was there was never
any doubt in my mind that that,

1329
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,920
that I had to go into a little
bit of a hole.

1330
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,400
Yeah.
Well, you, you take risks, you

1331
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,640
take risks, but they are
calculated risks.

1332
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,120
You know, you're doing it backed
on, on evidence and everything.

1333
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,920
And you know, fair play to you
because you could be like most

1334
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:22,200
people and you can go and get a
job.

1335
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,440
And I'm not downplaying
downplaying a job because you

1336
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,800
can get great jobs and work
really, really flipping hard.

1337
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,400
But it takes something of a
special kind of personality and

1338
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,920
risk taker to to put themselves
in a risky situation where

1339
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,840
you're going to get into debt,
where it might not work.

1340
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,760
The world's going to be, oh, you
failed, you've done this.

1341
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,680
You, I mean you go try being an
entrepreneur, then go on.

1342
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,400
And you know, what's really
interesting is I love the risk

1343
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,960
and I still take risks this day.
And I think it's, it's really

1344
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,480
interesting.
I, I, I take, I like the risk

1345
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,200
and I take more and more risk
with investments.

1346
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,840
I've taken risks.
I've lost 10s of thousands, if

1347
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,280
not hundreds of thousands of
pounds on risks.

1348
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,120
But my, my philosophy is one of
those risks.

1349
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,200
Like I took the risk when I
first started one of my

1350
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,360
businesses and I lost 1020
thousand by going down.

1351
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,640
And that one, that risk worked
and I got to where I am today.

1352
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,320
Now I take bigger risks and I've
lost risks at the time, but the

1353
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,040
bigger the risks of what
slingshot you that extra mile.

1354
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,080
And if you're not willing to
take the risk, then you're not

1355
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,920
willing to be an entrepreneur.
Yeah.

1356
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,480
Well, what I would like to call
you is, is like the modern age

1357
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,680
entrepreneur because you've got
like this mixture of your, your

1358
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,320
own brand, which we'll talk
about this, your brand, there's

1359
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,040
your family name, which is also
brand.

1360
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,840
And then you bring in that into
sort of merging that in with a

1361
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,920
reality TV and then you've got
this business thing.

1362
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,280
It's almost like the perfect
little Little Mix.

1363
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,480
So let's talk about that.
Is that deliberate thing?

1364
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,520
Are you using the reality TV
thing to boost the business?

1365
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,160
How important is your let's talk
about this branding.

1366
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,080
So this is a.
Really really interesting

1367
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,560
question and I've only worked
out the answer to this myself

1368
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,040
recently.
OK, let's go.

1369
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,720
I knew how to be an
entrepreneur.

1370
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:05,320
I knew how to start my own
business.

1371
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,920
Yeah, I knew how to make money.
Yeah, fine.

1372
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,560
And that's done very well.
Then I wanted to do reality TV

1373
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,560
because in my head I wanted to
do something or I wanted to turn

1374
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,680
to more of a personal brand,
something I enjoyed.

1375
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,840
I've done a foreign exchange.
It makes money.

1376
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,240
It's fantastic but it's so
blaming boring you've.

1377
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:25,960
Got too much personality too
well, it's been.

1378
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,160
Wasted.
And wasted behind the computer.

1379
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,600
My dad said to me, don't sit
behind a computer.

1380
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,320
He's no one's going to.
I see you behind the computer

1381
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:33,160
all day long.
Get out there.

1382
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,520
You've hit the nail on the head.
So I was right.

1383
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,560
OK, so then this opportunity
came up.

1384
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,160
It was right timing.
Go on reality TV, build my

1385
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,200
personal brand.
Fantastic.

1386
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:48,200
But now I've got these two paths
which are very, very different.

1387
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,960
I've got me being an
entrepreneur.

1388
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,320
Are they?
Well, here we go.

1389
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,720
And I hadn't worked out for the
last year and a half how these

1390
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,120
paths were going to overlap.
And it's only recently that I've

1391
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,080
worked it out and and it was
again off the back of some

1392
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,000
advice that my auntie has given
me.

1393
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,440
Lisa.
Yeah, Lisa really, really has

1394
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,040
been and it's something I'm
working on at the moment is

1395
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,640
really exciting.
So, you know, we've made in

1396
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:16,720
Chelsea, you get this built in
kind of platform and then with

1397
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:21,160
my FX business, I've got this
amazing network and clientele

1398
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,000
and friends, you know, of some
really amazing people, you know

1399
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:28,920
which and they're going, it's
the stories are going to waste.

1400
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,439
And I thought I've always wanted
to do a podcast myself, like I'm

1401
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,760
on one right now and I've always
wanted to put one together.

1402
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,120
How is this all going to
connect?

1403
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:41,319
And I realised, you know, it
will be the built in crowd of

1404
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:43,920
made in Chelsea.
Who will help this podcast,

1405
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:49,560
Slingshot and the podcast is
essentially about Vanderpump FX,

1406
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:54,840
Sam Vanderpump, the class, the
friends, the network and all

1407
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,760
these people who are doing
currency exchange through my

1408
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:02,279
company are some of the most
interesting businesses.

1409
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,040
You want to be talking to them?
Yeah.

1410
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,160
You want to be talking to them
for.

1411
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,600
Sure, we've got some fantastic
stories coming up.

1412
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,800
The The series is called a
Vanderpod Play on.

1413
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,080
Winsis, Winsis.
So we're in the process of

1414
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,080
filming at the moment, OK.
So it's going to be coming out

1415
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,200
in the next month or two months.
OK, well I'll update the

1416
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,800
description.
You send me those links so

1417
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,399
people can have a little.
Yeah, so Vanderpod.

1418
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:25,920
Connection to.
Play on Vanderpump and yeah.

1419
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:28,319
Because we have a lot of people
interested in business and

1420
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,600
entrepreneurship and they like
reality TV.

1421
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,680
Oh, these are going to be some
fantastic stories.

1422
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,439
You know, it's just, without
mentioning too much and spoiling

1423
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:41,319
the promos, we've got some great
lengths of history to modern day

1424
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,240
moguls, business moguls, Yeah,
really good.

1425
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,479
Stuff So when we started the
podcast, I said who is Sam

1426
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,319
Vanderpump?
And now I'm going to, we're

1427
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:52,680
coming to the end now.
So I'm going to tie that back

1428
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,920
in.
But like, who is Sam Vanderpump

1429
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,440
the brand?
Because you're very, you're well

1430
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:00,320
put together.
You're kind of like curated in

1431
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,320
aesthetically.
Like you're going to Instagram,

1432
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,080
you've got the nice shorts, you
got suits, you present very

1433
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,280
well, you speak really nicely.
You come across as polite and

1434
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,480
all that kind of thing.
I mean, some people might say a

1435
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:12,760
bit controlled.
You have the critics to say, but

1436
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,040
I just, we're going to forget
about the trolling vibes because

1437
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:20,440
let them try.
But so like, talk to me about

1438
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,480
your brand and why?
Why is it important to you to

1439
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:27,120
dress the way you do and be the
way you are?

1440
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,480
And is that actually your brand?
Is it?

1441
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:35,200
Interesting.
I guess with when you put

1442
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:41,760
yourself into this like kind of
limelight, you have to think

1443
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,400
about the way you're branding
because you're your personality

1444
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,000
is your branding.
And then if you're going to put

1445
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,840
yourself in this kind of
spotlight, if you haven't given

1446
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:57,360
your brand off in a certain way,
then if people don't buy into

1447
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,120
your brand, why are they ever
going to buy into anything else

1448
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:05,880
you do?
And what I mean by that is, but

1449
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:11,400
I, I'm a big, big believer of be
authentic.

1450
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:16,400
So yes, there is a branding
site, but I believe I'm very

1451
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,640
authentic, OK?
There are people out there who

1452
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,640
take calculated risks,
calculated moves to give off a

1453
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,560
perception of their brand to
make business.

1454
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,400
But I don't believe in that
because I don't want to ever

1455
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,640
look back and go, well, that
wasn't me, right?

1456
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,160
Yeah, that wasn't me.
So I was pretending to do this

1457
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,200
or that or whatever.
But is it you?

1458
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,720
Is it you to dress so well and
to.

1459
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,600
Be.
Do you, were you taught that

1460
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,480
like?
Yeah, I think I was from a young

1461
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:48,040
age, I was always told,
especially by my mother to, you

1462
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:49,880
know, to take care.
Presentable.

1463
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,360
Yeah, our whole family to
present, be presentable.

1464
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,080
Yeah, actually something which
was engraved.

1465
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,960
Some respect for yourself.
Get dressed nicely, you know,

1466
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,120
brush that hair.
I mean, when we went to school,

1467
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,280
we weren't allowed hair products
in our hair.

1468
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:03,440
We weren't OK.
Our shoes had to be polished.

1469
01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:06,800
Yes, our ties had to be done
properly.

1470
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,160
Respect your uniform.
Yeah, like you know, as we would

1471
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,840
enter our school, we would shake
our teachers hand on the door

1472
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,960
and we'd go.
Good morning, Mr. Politely.

1473
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:16,440
You know.
Basic I don't know.

1474
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:19,080
If I can say my school teachers
names on this, but yeah, who

1475
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:20,320
knows?
Good morning.

1476
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,360
Mr. Yarlet would be one of them.
And, you know, we would go

1477
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,680
through these, these, these
protocols and then we'd have

1478
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,640
assemblies and we'd have public
speeches, you know, alter and

1479
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:35,720
debating societies and stuff
like that to really help grow.

1480
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,760
You know, I, I would say you,
we're all, even if you're not in

1481
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,320
the public eye, you've all got
your own brand.

1482
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,040
Well, that is a brand, the
school's a brand.

1483
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,240
So you're reflecting the brand.
So I went to, I went to a school

1484
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,280
boarding school and then, for
example, say that we're not

1485
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,720
allowed to walk linked arms and
eat food like burger or

1486
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,800
something like whilst we're
walking because it gives the the

1487
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,920
school a bad vibes.
You've got to walk a certain

1488
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,440
way, talk a certain way of
citizen because there's a brand

1489
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:58,600
of the school.
But now we're we're evolving.

1490
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,320
Especially if you're doing a
mixture of reality TV star

1491
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,040
public figure slash business.
You are the brand.

1492
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,880
The personality becomes the
brand in the clothes, how you

1493
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,360
carry yourself, how you speak,
how you deal with conflict.

1494
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,840
For example, the fact that
you're controlled in conflict on

1495
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,600
Made in Chelsea, you don't ever
lose it on TVI think that's part

1496
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,400
of the brand I.
Think that's very unbecoming?

1497
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,560
You're not hot headed.
No, yeah, it's very unbecoming

1498
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:23,120
to lose your temper, right.
I just, I just think even like

1499
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,680
there've been situations if if
you ever catch me in a

1500
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:31,000
situations, I wouldn't be hot
headed.

1501
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,840
Maybe when I was good girl.
It's bad menace, you know it's.

1502
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,240
Bad menace.
It's unbecoming.

1503
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,000
It's.
Unbecoming it.

1504
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,040
Takes.
It takes a very very.

1505
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,720
Yeah, I don't.
Like a much bigger man or a

1506
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:48,440
person to be able to control
yourself and articulate yourself

1507
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,400
and the person who shouts and
swears, that's awful.

1508
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,200
Loses the eye?
Is she doing it in public and on

1509
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:54,480
camera?
Surely you must have some

1510
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:56,240
self-awareness.
You know that that cannot

1511
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:59,200
possibly be good unless your
brand is selling something like.

1512
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,800
That so I'll I'll say I'll say
something if God this could all

1513
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,440
be to my detriment when next
easy.

1514
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:06,960
I'm using my temper and.
I'm screaming.

1515
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:12,360
At shouting, but I think if you
can't control yourself in that

1516
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:17,200
situation on TV, yeah.
What are you like behind that?

1517
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,480
Oh yeah, yeah, you know, because
that is a controlled

1518
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,480
environment.
So if you can't control yourself

1519
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:24,280
in a controlled environment,
yeah, then you can.

1520
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:28,600
I think you're, you know,
represents something way scarier

1521
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,560
behind closed doors.
So, you know, yeah.

1522
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:36,720
Well, I think you've come across
really well and I do wish you

1523
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:37,720
all the best with your
businesses.

1524
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:41,160
It'd be interesting to see how
you how you evolve and progress

1525
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,000
and how things turn out on when
in Chelsea.

1526
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,200
You know what's really
interesting?

1527
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,040
For the first six months this
year was very hard.

1528
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,760
It was very much just focus on
my health.

1529
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,200
Yeah, of course.
But building, rebuilding those?

1530
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:56,080
After like sort of from the
start of June, I have been as I

1531
01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:01,320
came back from LA after I got my
updated advice, I have been so

1532
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,240
working on so much yeah.
So there's a lot happening.

1533
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:05,080
You're.
Pretty focused.

1534
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,000
You, you're a yes.
You're, you're in, you're in a

1535
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,480
yes mode kind of thing.
You can tell that you're you.

1536
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:12,120
Know life is my always start.
I'm so thankful to be here.

1537
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,160
I'm thankful to be alive.
And you know, I'm working with

1538
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,640
Sepsis Trust.
I'm working on a new podcast,

1539
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,800
I'm working on a new business,
so and I'm working on so many

1540
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,520
different things and they're all
going to start to come out over

1541
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,720
the next few months.
So if you do follow me on social

1542
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,200
media, you will see some of
those things.

1543
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:28,840
We'll put all your links in the
description.

1544
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,360
Sam, it's been amazing having
you.

1545
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:32,480
Thank you so much for having me.
Thank you so much.

1546
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:32,960
Thank you.